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 Post subject: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
 Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:53 pm 
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Hi everyone! My name is Heidi and I'm currently taking the first steps towards military service in the National Guard and that is RESEARCH! :smt003

First of all I want to start off by saying how wonderful this site has been for me in the last week or so. This site has had more information about 68W than any other site I could find out there, so thank you to everyone who has contributed!

I'm looking into attempting to sign up as a 68WN3, hopefully getting in before they make all the changes to the 68W ASI's in October. I'm very interested in obtaining both the Medic training along with the Occupational Therapy.

I guess my question is, who has more info on N3? I'm having a hard time finding out much of anything...things like how long the ASI training is after AIT, would I ship straight from AIT to ASI training, and exactly what the training involves (Phases?). This does not seem to be a popular enough choice to bring up a lot of information from web searches.

I already know what OT involves, but I'm trying to plan my life here and attempting to get some kind of figure as to how long I'll be gone from home starting with BCT. I'm also trying to arm myself with as much information as possible before going in to talk with the recruiter. So far I have not had much luck even getting in touch with one, and although I know things are different with the Guard in terms of contracts and MOS's, I have to admit I'm a little worried from all the horror stories I've heard. I'm pretty much taking the attitude of I know what I want and if I don't get exactly that then I'll walk away, just like with a house or new car sale! :wink:

Thanks everyone and I look forward to your responses!

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
 Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:17 pm 
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First, I want to give you a huge Welcome to our board.


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N3 - Scope: Phase 1 (17 weeks) is conducted at Fort Sam Houston, Texas. Phase 2 (16 weeks) is conducted at designated medical treatment facilities throughout the country. The total course length is 33 weeks. This course is designed to meet the standards of program approval established by the American Occupational Therapy Association. Graduates of this program are eligible to sit for the national certification examination and qualify for the designation, Certified Occupational Therapy Assistant. Certification and licensure are mechanisms separate and unrelated to graduation.

Phase 1 provides a general knowledge of physical and behavioral sciences; a working knowledge of the principles, concepts, and skills utilized to assist the occupational therapist in the implementation of remedial health maintenance and prevention programs for psychiatric as well as physical disability patients.

Phase 2 consists of a continuation of written and oral assignemnts as well as application (hands-on) of skills learned in phase 1. The phase 2 segment consists of fieldwork experience with at least 1 physical disabilities rotation and 1 mental health rotation. As time permits, students may also participate in specialized rotations such as pediatrics and burn treatment and management. Upon successful completion of the course, graduates are awarded the ASI N-3.


"Would I ship straight from AIT to ASI training?"
Depends on how the schedules of AIT and ASI training fall on the calendar. You might get to go straight from AIT to ASI, or you might have to go back home then attend ASI training later on. One never knows until the class dates are shown on your enlistment contract.

How long would you be gone from home? One week of in-processing at Reception, 10 weeks of BCT, 16 weeks of AIT, followed by 33 weeks of ASI training. So if there are no spaces between schools, that comes out to at least 60 weeks.

And the National Guard is pretty different from the regular Army. While both have to have open slots in the MOS you want, the National Guard also has to have a unit fairly close to your home with that open slot (you can't drive two states away for drills). But the regular Army can send you anywhere on the planet to have you fill an open slot in your MOS. So for you, that will be another big issue. Where are open 68WN3 National Guard slots in your part of the world?

Horror stories? While there are some, they often get played way out of proportion. In fact, out of the over 5,500 members we have here, only a handful have ever reported those horror stories between recruiters, MEPS, and their future Soldiers.

Hope this is a good start to help you in your future decisions. Feel free to drop by anytime to ask questions, or to brief us on what you have found out, or even to vent. Someone is here 24/7.

And - thanks for the compliment about the information we provide, especially for 68W. I guess you can blame my son for that when he volunteered for 91W (eventually changed to 68W) back when this site first started.

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
 Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:45 pm 
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Thank you Medic Dad for your reply, that is very helpful!

To answer your question, I live in Phoenix, Az and currently just down the road from me at the Tempe Armory there is an open slot for 68W. I don't know how likely it is that I would be able to get into the N3, but from what I've gathered so far, joining the Guard gives me the opportunity to get the N3 slot into my contract before I even ship, so here's to hoping for that!

I certainly plan to keep updating this thread on my journey, if for no other reason but to help someone else out in the future. If I may, a bit on my background:

I'm 33, and military service has always been in the back of my mind. My father served in the Army in Vietnam (1st Cav) and my grandfather was career Army serving from WW2 through Vietnam. I like to believe things happen for a reason, and this is the first time in my life that I've actually had the guts and been in the proper place to consider this step. I'm not happy with the way some of the things are going in our country, nor how some of my friends who are returning soldiers are being treated or taken care of by our healthcare system. I feel like if I can stop bitching about it and actually do something to make it better, now is the time!

I'll be finishing my BA degree in Military History this summer, and I've been working as Licensed Massage Therapist for the last 5 years. I've been wanting to go to OT school here, but it is very expensive and very long. With all of these planets aligned, I decided that going Guard was the next best step for me in my life. I have a friend in the Guard here that I've been talking to about the realities of "Guard Life", along with research, research, research. I'm hoping to get in contact with a recruiter very soon.

Thanks again, and I look forward to any other stories or info folks here have on the N3 position. :D

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
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While I don't think we have many (if any) N3 Soldiers represented here, we do have quite a few 68W families who hopefully will chime in.

Plus, we have an active duty 68W Medic as a member. This should catch his eye and he should be able to reply with what he knows. He in fact was the first on the site to report the massive 68W ASI changes coming. Note though, he is on a different time table than the rest of us right now because he will be posting direct from Afghanistan.

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
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I guess your refering to me ... lol

I have not heard any further on the timeline for the ASI pullout. You will have to inquire to the National Guard Recruiter about specific slots in specific units. Generally a N3 will only be in a CSH (Combat Support Hospital) or the Hospital Unit.

I do happen to have a N3 in my Active Duty Unit (he is also a N9, Physical Therapy Tech and a P1 Orthopedics Tech) ... When he gets back from R&R I will pick his brain. According to my Platoon Sergeant, he did not prefer the N3 training (he was sent to all 3 schools back to back).

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:41 pm 
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Thanks for the feedback! I'm hoping the N3 would be a great stepping stone for me to my Master's in OT, along with having a better job outlook when I return. I have several friends who work as EMT's and while they love their work, the pay is not that great. I'm kind of already stuck in that boat being an LMT so I'm looking to move up not laterally. :smt003

Still have not heard anything from the recruiter so I guess I'll drop him an email.

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
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Still have not heard anything from the recruiter so I guess I'll drop him an email.

Depending on the size of your community, you might have more than one recruiter in your area. If you don't hear from one, switch to another.

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
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Well just as I was posting this reply, I got an email from the recruiter. Needless to say, I'm a little worried:

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Yea. With the 996 medical unit. I was a medic in that unit. I know all the command very well in that unit. You can text or call me @ xxx-xxx-xxxx. Are you sure there is an open medic spot there?

SSG xxxxxxxx


Uhm.....http://jobs.nationalguard.com/ngb/display_job/150884/Health-Care-Specialist.html?searchId=1328140300.0374&page=66

Do you think I should try to find a different recruiter? I mean this guys info came from the Guard website as the guy to contact! Shouldn't he know if there is an opening or not? :shock:

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Well I decided to give this guy a go. I had several more email conversations with him today that were better, plus I like the fact that he has actually served in the unit I'm interested in joining. I tried to put myself in his shoes, that as a recruiter he is probably a very busy guy and can't possibly have the details on everything...and indeed he his. Couldn't schedule an appointment with me until Tuesday because he has so many people going to MEPS between now and then. I'll let you all know how it turns out.

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
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I'd give him the benefit of a doubt on that open slot issue. What you see when searching on a public access website could be totally different from what he sees on the Army's computer network (his will be the most accurate and timely). And the availability of open slots can change on a daily or even an hourly basis.

I did note that there are two medical units in that area (at least as shown on the NG map). At some time down the road, you may want to ask to visit the units just to get a feeling about them.

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
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Wait there is a map!? Do you have link? :x

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Solrider wrote:
Wait there is a map!? Do you have link? :x

Yes, it's on the same NG website where you found that open 68W slot >

http://www.nationalguard.com/guard-basi ... r_20110720

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
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Hey! Look at that! Thanks so much!

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So here is something interesting I found on Corpsman.com about the upcoming changes to the 68w skill ID's: http://www.corpsman.com/history/army-68w-68-whiskey-army-combat-medic/

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On 1 October 2012, almost all of these Additional Skill Identifiers are going away. Soldiers holding those ASIs will once again have their own MOS (for example, 68WM6 will revert back to 68C). Those Soldiers will no longer complete medic school prior to their specialized training. The only Soldiers who will complete medic school are Combat Medics (68W) and Civil Affairs Medics (68WW).


So what I'm reading here is, even if I can get the N3 written into my contract and completed with the Guard, after October I'll just revert into being an Occupational Therapy Assistant and no longer a 68W. My meeting with the recruiter got moved up to tomorrow (Monday) so I'll be attempting to confirm this with him. Its a little disappointing, but not a complete deal-breaker for me.

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 Post subject: Re: 68WN3 - Occupational Therapy Info
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Solrider wrote:
So here is something interesting I found on Corpsman.com about the upcoming changes to the 68w skill ID's: http://www.corpsman.com/history/army-68 ... mbat-medic


This from the Army Times > viewtopic.php?f=22&t=21164

Note that all the implementation dates they show are in 2013. And yes, at some point, 68WN3 would be changed to 68C. Not the first time the Army has made major changes to their MOS system, and won't be the last.

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